Musings on….Romans 1 ~ Can we know God w/out Bible?

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Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

So, Can this mean we can know God without the bible? This passage to me is specific in talking about a certain type of person behaving a certain way….

Is there any other passages that state we can know God without the help of the bible? or any other writing?

Maybe we can know there is a God, but what about Jesus and his life on earth?

Am I staking too much on a book?

I can know the presence of God in my life, but how can I articulate it to others?

How can I tell/remember to tell others in the future about what went on in my life without a book or words written down?

Didn’t the writers of the bible just write down what they experienced? But the amazing thing is they experienced God and Jesus?

Help, Kristina

*this was inspired by a post from another blogger….

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8 responses »

  1. I started writing a response, but it go so long that I just turned it into a post on my website instead. I hope it offers some perspective…

    … P.S., you’re not staking too much on a book if the book is the Bible. Christ himself based much of what he said out of that book, quoting it extensively and authoritatively. Now, if you’re living your life out of another book, like say The Catcher in the Rye, or One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, then yes, you are staking too much on a book.

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  3. You’re right that in context, he goes on to refer to a certain group of people, but (here’s my Catholic-style-apologetics answer) “this passage has been traditionally understood/applied to mean…” 😉

    But seriously, it’s classically understood that, just as it says, creation reveals (by its logic, order, beauty, wisdom [“go to the ant, you sluggard,” etc.]) the existance of God, which implies the responsibility to worship Him, as He is greater than the creature observing said fact. His sovereignty and deity are all that are revealed. (“All.” Hah. That’s a lot.) Not, say, the plan of salvation, etc. But enough is revealed to condemn you for not seeking it. Clear as mud?
    ~~clear as mud.

  4. Kristina,

    The first think that came to mind to me was Psalm 19

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=19&version=31

    1 The heavens declare the glory of God;
    the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
    2 Day after day they pour forth speech;
    night after night they display knowledge.

    3 There is no speech or language
    where their voice is not heard. [a]

    4 Their voice [b] goes out into all the earth,
    their words to the ends of the world.
    In the heavens he has pitched a tent for the sun,

    5 which is like a bridegroom coming forth from his pavilion,
    like a champion rejoicing to run his course.

    6 It rises at one end of the heavens
    and makes its circuit to the other;
    nothing is hidden from its heat.

    Randy Alcorn’s book “Heaven” has a chapter discussing this I think. I have in print and audio if you want to borrow it.

    Tim VP
    ~~Tim VP, hey proud papa, to play devils advocate here, I’m looking for something outside the bible to prove the bible, even if we say creation is proof, who first told us creation is the proof? and where is it? from the bible, right?
    Kristina

  5. You probably know what I would say about this anyway, but just in case…

    If the Bible provides any type of accuracy (through a glass darkly) of God, then God should be present and active in our daily lives. If not, then how else can we trust in God?

    The Bible never taught us that finding the presence and practice of God was easy…it teaches just the opposite. Jesus is quoted as saying “if you hold to my teachings you are truly my disciples and you will know the truth and the truth will set you free.” We don’t know God from studying the Bible, but by living as Jesus did.

    My two cents.

    ~~He’s alive! I was waiting to hear your reply…. 🙂

  6. Surely we can know the existence of God without the Bible.
    Knowing what God is on the other hand is at best only ever going to be partial as God is “dwelling in a light unapproachable, whom no man has seen or can see” 1 Timothy 6:16.

    We can know God’s laws, as they are written on our heart.
    We can know of God’s love and mercy.
    We can know that God would do all the things that are in the Bible, but we cannot know (100%)(IMHO), that these things did happen. I was not there, therefore I cannot know for sure.

    Maybe all we can do is search for the truth, and not deny it when it is shown to us.

    I wish very much to know God without the Bible, I think we all should, (not to say we shouldn’t read the Bible).
    ~~thanks for the comment, Ray!

  7. Of course we can know God without the Bible. Humankind knew God before it was written didn’t it? I’m not any kind of bible quoter here, but I have done some reading and thinking. One of the things I got out of Job was that God himself said that we could know him through his works. God doesn’t speak directly in the bible much if I recall, and this was one of those things that stuck out to me.
    Even the person without the bible can know God – but I think that reading through a half dozen different translations and going through the verses and thinking about them… can help a great deal.

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