Just a Compilation of Things for Friday


(Was anybody gonna tell me I spellt compilation wrong?)

On Cavman Unleashed there was this great quote from Calvin or Augustine, I’m researching the quote now.

**“Because we do not know who belongs to the number of the predestined, or does not belong, our desire ought to be that all may be saved; and hence every person we meet we will desire to be with us a partaker of peace.”**

(If anyone knows where this came from, let me know)

And on his site I saw this link:


League of Reformed Bloggers. Might be interesting to check out.

Also this quote from Calvins Institiutes:

For it is right that the stupidity of the human mind should be punished with fearful destruction, whenever it attempts to rise in its own strength to the height of divine wisdom. And this temptation is the more fatal, that it is the temptation to which of all others almost all of us are most prone. For there is scarcely a mind in which the thought does not sometimes rise, Whence your salvation but from the election of God?

Hehe, Calvin called us stupid. 🙂

First, if we seek for the paternal mercy and favor of God, we must turn our eyes to Christ, in whom alone the Father is well pleased, (Mat 3: 17). When we seek for salvation, life, and a blessed immortality, to him also must we retake ourselves, since he alone is the fountain of life and the anchor of salvation, and the heir of the kingdom of heaven. Then what is the end of election, but just that, being adopted as sons by the heavenly Father, we may by his favor obtain salvation and immortality? How much soever you may speculate and discuss you will perceive that in its ultimate object it goes no farther. Institutes, book 3, chapter 24, section 5

And this from a Family Life e-newsletter:

But showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Deuteronomy 5:10

I’ll be honest with you: The thought of my kids sinning in the same areas that I sin has bolstered my obedience to God. I’m reminded of the piercing statement by C. H. Spurgeon, “Sin would have fewer takers if its consequences occurred immediately.”

Just think for a moment of the sins that could be visited upon your children. What do you struggle with? Lust? Selfishness? Anger? Lack of discipline? Jealousy? Pride? How about deceit? Broken promises? A gossiping tongue?

The twenty-first century could be a scary time to be alive. I wonder how the sins of adultery, divorce and addictions will affect future generations?

So what are we to do? Wallow in guilt because we are far from perfect? Are we enslaved to our ancestors’ wrong choices and, thus, permanently under the punishment of God?

No, we can stop the chain reaction by our repentance and confession. God in His grace stands ready to forgive us and grant us favor. You can, by faith, stop even the most tyrannical control of a sin that has beset your family for generations.

The good news is that God also gives us a wonderful promise: Your righteousness can still be influencing others a thousand generations from now. That’s encouraging!

Discuss: What type of faith would you like your children and grandchildren to have?

Pray: Ask God to protect your life, marriage and family from sin. Ask Him to enable you to leave a legacy of righteousness to a thousand generations.

And from my Integrity Notes;

“Blessed are the flexible for they shall not be broken” ~missionary prayer

We have hope today~

not because of our circumstances, but because of Him in Whom we trust.

We are strong today~

not because of our great might, but because of the power of the One at work within us.

We have victory today~

not because if anything we can accomplish, but because of what He did for us on the cross.

Our bible study discussed fornication, adultery, harlotry and the such, not a blog topic per se.

3 For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality; 4 that each  of you know how to possess his own vessel  in sanctification and honor, 5 not in lustful  passion, like the Gentiles who do  not know God; 6 and that no man transgress and defraud his brother inthe matter because the  Lord is the avenger in all these things, just as we also told you before and solemnly warned you. 7 For God has not called us for the purpose of impurity, but in  sanctification. 8 So, he who rejects this is not rejecting man but the God who gives  His Holy Spirit to you.

This week we are going over brotherly love and christian work ethic;

9 Now as to the love of the brethren, you have no need for anyone to write to you, for you yourselves are taught  by God to love one another; 10 for indeed you  do practice it toward all the brethren who are in all Macedonia. But we urge you, brethren, to excel  still more, 11 and to make it your ambition to  lead a quiet life and attend to your own business and work with your hands, just as we commanded you, 12 so that you will behave F47 properly toward outsiders and not  be in any need.

And next week;

Those Who Died in Christ~

13Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope. 14We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15According to the Lord’s own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18Therefore encourage each other with these words.

More on that later.

The New Issue of Knitty is up, YEAH!!!!

Me and the boy are off to see my nephew play basketball in Seattle.

I’m stealing this idea from All & Sundry

Post a note and tell me what you are doing this weekend.

**We are watching 8 year olds play b-ball tonight.

Saturday night; my son’s school has its annual auction.

Saturday Night;

a cat trap +Cat food=good times

we have a few strays in the ‘hood  and one of them is hurt bad, eye all swollen up. Gonna get them taken somewhere to a good home.

Should be interested to see what gets caught.

Sunday, church and the pastor is having a deacon dinner. Have no clue what that is, but I’m kinda scared. Some sort of reformed/dutch/old ritual consisting of bloodletting, maybe?

Just teasing 🙂

Blessings, Kristina

13 responses »

  1. Augustine stole the quote from me.

    If “by their fruits you will know them” applies to Calvin, then I agree he could be right about his study of scripture, but torture and murder disqualify him in my mind from being a Christian. He was the Saddam Hussain of Geneva.

    And that is SO my butt–remember, I didn’t say which picture.

  2. **“Because we do not know who belongs to the number of the predestined, or does not belong, our desire ought to be that all may be saved; and hence every person we meet we will desire to be with us a partaker of peace.”**

    This quote comes from Calvin’s Institutes Book 3, Chapter 23, section 14, which is titled “How it is to be preached and delivered to the people. Summary of the orthodox doctrine of predestination, from Augustine.”

    Please note that the above quote is incomplete. Here is the actual quote from Augustine as recorded in Calvin’s Institutes:

    “When he would bring men to himself, does he bind them with corporeal fetters? He acts inwardly, inwardly holds, inwardly moves their hearts, and draws them by the will, which he has wrought in them because we know not who belongs to the number of the predestinated, or does not belong, our desire ought to be that all may be saved; and hence every person we meet, we will desire to be with us a partaker of peace. But our peace will rest upon the sons of peace. Wherefore, on our part, let correction be used as a harsh yet salutary medicine for all, that they may neither perish, nor destroy others. To God it will belong to make it available to those whom he has foreknown and predestinated.”

    This section is Calvin’s argument on how to preach the doctrine of Predestination/Election to the people. Notice the last three sentences really set the intent of the passage. Context is everything. Rememember a text without the context is just a pretext. I suggest you read the entire section 14 for the full meaning and summary of Calvin’s argument on Preaching the Doctrine of Predestination/Election.

    Contender of the Faith
    Jude 3

  3. Alright, WhoreChurch, you gotta find me some written proof of that!
    You messing with my homeboy Calvin.
    Actually, did you know the T.U.L.I.P. wasn’t written by him?
    Sure you did.

  4. Quit harping on the good dutch stuff! You didn’t loose any blood did you? Did he give you Wilhelmina peppermints? You know the ones with Queen Wilhemlmina on them?

    I’m sure it was fun though. You have a good group of deacons.


  5. The issue Whore Church refers to is the trial of Servetus, who was a heretic on the run from the Inquisition. As a holdover from the Holy Roman Empire (oh yeah, still in existence at the time), such heresy was not merely punished by excommunication, but also a civil crime- in this case punishable by death (he denied the Trinity). Sadly, this is not one of the highlights of history- but seen w/in its context is different than us casting stones.
    Calvin turned the infamous heretic in. Calvin pled for him to repent. Calvin also testified for the prosecution. Remember… important little historical fact… Calvin did not have a great relationship with the city leaders. They did not do his bidding.
    Servetus was found guilty and sentenced to death by burning. Calvin pled for a quicker manner of execution, but was ignored.
    Calvin did not torture Servetus, not make the ruling nor the sentence. Was the way church discipline was practiced wrong? Yes! Does that make Calvin, and numerous other church leaders, wicked infidels for whom there is no grace? NO!
    So, your homeboy was a sinner like the rest of us. But no monster either. To compare him with SH is quite the fabrication along the lines of false witness- they hyperbole is stunning. So Whore Church is quite thankful the state no longer enforces church law. 🙂

  6. TimVP:
    no blood lost, just gained some wieght witht he pizza we had for dinner and the deacons wives got a lecture to keep their mouths shut. But when your ‘in the know’ like me, the deacons will be coming to me for finding out stuff. and no mints, darn it.
    So Cavman:
    This guy Servetus, was a heretic and Calvin wanted him to repent. He didn’t so calvin helped get his death sentence carried out.
    ”Calvin did not have a great relationship with the city leaders. They did not do his bidding.”
    so how did this fact help or change that certain situation?
    did calvin do this with others?
    thanks, kristina

  7. Well, I suppose Calvin could have practiced civil disobedience if he had disagreed with the punishment he expected Servetus to receive at the hands of the state. If he did, 2 things would have happened.
    1. Servetus continues to propogate his lies. Not the end of the universe, but there was a good probability that #2 would happen.
    2. Since he was on the run from the Holy Roman Empire (they had a price on his head- he was fleeing Spain rightfully in fear for his life), and just about everywhere in Europe (sadly) took the same approach to handling heretics… he was going to be captured and killed eventually.
    We cannot remove Calvin’s actions from his historical context as if he was the only guy who thought Servetus was wrong and wrongly persecuted him. Calvin was submitting to the laws of justice of his day (Romans 13), and they were not law he made.
    Calvin was not the judge, nor the jury, nor the executioner. He was a witness for the prosecutor since he and Servetus had carried on correspondence about Servetus’ heresy.
    Sadaam was a dictator who controlled the judge, jury, exectutioner and the law. He slaughtered untolds numbers of people for having different political views, religious views or being of the wrong race (Kurds). Calvin had no such power, so that characterization is woefully wrong.
    I don’t think Servetus should have been burned at the stake, or put in prison. But we cannot blame Calvin because all of Europe did. “The Reformation wasn’t built in a day” to adapt a phrase.

  8. Thank you, Cavman for my mini Calvin lesson. Seriously.
    I love to learn new stuff.
    Im writing/studying about Gideon and my questions are, is one act of faith, good enough to get into heaven or is one act of unrighteousness bad enough to get a ticket out of heaven?
    Is Calvins life has more good stuff in it than this bad thing, is he saved?
    Sounds a bit like karma, eh?
    And if they Gideon and Calvin were saved, how does their life show it?
    Does their life show it?
    Anyway, thank you and keep coming back, I need people to help answer all my questions…… 🙂

  9. Cavman,

    Did Calvin not say of Servetus:

    “If he comes here and I have any authority, I will never let him leave the place alive”? Pretty famous quote.

    Did Sadaam Hussein claim to murder for the cause of Christ? Shouldn’t this “father of the reformation” have the fruit of Christ?

    While you seem incredulous at the idea that Calvin had any political authority, pretty much every historian disagrees and lays at his feet dozens of imprisonments, torturings and executions. If I find it interesting I’ll look up some source materials for you, but I doubt I will find it interesting.

  10. I think killing Servetus was wrong. That is not how the church is supposed to do things.
    But this illustrates the problems when you essentially have a theocracy. This was one of the areas in which the Reformation was incomplete at that time. They were still like a state church where the lines get blurred.
    What is not like Sadaam is that it was a well-known law, consistently applied instead of an unjust, arbitrary rule of terror. Geneva was mistaken in applying OT case law and penalties instead of recognizing the epochal shift. I have a hard time isolating one “fruit” at the expense of others. If Christ is so unmerciful, we shall all perish in our sins. I think of Calvin as similar to David- who was saved by grace despite being a murderer.
    Calvin and the City Council had numerous disagreement, and these cannot be overlooked either. For instance, they kicked him out once. They fought over the Libertines. So to think he got whatever he wanted is absolute rubbish.
    Sorta like global warming… what is these historians’ agenda? There are plenty of blind guides (both pro & con).

  11. Cavman,

    First, I am not aware of anyplace Calvin repented of his murder (as David did.) I’m not saying such a record does not exist, only that I am not aware of it. Please provide a reference.

    Second, you didn’t address the pre-meditation quote I provided. Do you believe Calvin intended to murder Servetus in the name of Christ before he even arrived in Geneva?

    Third, tell me what criteria you use in determining what historical narratives you accept and which ones you reject? Global warming is not relevant to this discussion.

    What I don’t understand is this: Why not simply say, “Just like everyone else, Calvin was evil. At this point I can’t say he’s a Christian though evidence seems to point otherwise”? How does it affect your faith to admit Calvin was a cruel, murdering, torturing evil man?

    Finish this sentence: Because if Calvin wasn’t a Christian then…

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