Proud, to be a ……

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This is an excerpt from an e-mail conversation between me and P.A.Y.,

He sent me this link ~

THIS WILL MAKE YOU PROUD

I didnt open it, but the following conversation ensued.

ME: Reformed people aren’t supposed to feel proud

PAY: We are not to feel PROUD of ourselves but to be PROUD of your country and the people that keep it free should be deep in your heart.  When I see some of the great things that people do for our morale as a country it brings tears of happiness to my eyes.  Yep, I cry when the national anthem is sung at the beginning of a game when it is sung from the heart with PRIDE for America.  Blog that…

Me: Actually, it is in debate whether we should even feel proud about our country.God hasn’t blessed this country any more than any other, and really this country is not our home, heaven is. So we should ‘feel’ proud about our home. Heaven. And make e-mails and songs about that place. So the world will want to live in that country not this earthly one. And I say this in all loving kindness, and I think I do have a subject to blog. Thanks, Krislinatin 

PAY: I disagree here in saying that “God Hasn’t blessed this country any more than any other.” God has been blessed the USA since our founding fathers put it all together, they were blessed by God or they wouldn’t have put God in all the papers, The Constitution and everything else. It is the liberal politicians that have taken God out of our countries heritage and current system of government.God Bless
America.  I believe that God has blessed us as a country and will continue to do so, even if we refuse to acknowledge Him as the one in charge of everything, everywhere all the time.  
When PRIDE makes men so selfish that we will not acknowledge that there is a God that is greater that us then those people are doomed to hell.  Where did all this come from?  My head isn’t this deep!  Must be… Love ya, PAY.

So, the questions are? Had God blessed this country more than others? And what have we done in light of all this blessing?

and Is this our country/home? No, Heaven is. Should we feel proud of all these people who do good things in the name of our country?

What if it’s not in the name of God? Will all their good deeds get them to heaven?

Should we use the word grateful instead? I’m very grateful people fight for this country so we can freely worship God here. I’m grateful to the people who recycle and save our rainforests and do all in their power to conserve energy and resources. I would like my future generations to live in a clean, well-run free to worship country. But it’s all so earthly and we should be concerned with heaven bound things, or I guess our mind set should be ‘what do we do _________ for?

Do I save energy/save gas/cans/recycle because I’m proud/grateful for this country or do I do it because God tells me I am to be good steward of ALL things He gives us and by the way are His to begin with?

And on to another point, my heart swells with pride when my son does well in school or when I can see that God’s Word is working in his little heart. I’m so wealthy and humble and proud and weepy when I look at my son and thankful My God cares enough for me to give me my ‘pride and joy’. Am I not to be proud of him? Or of my hubby?

Agree or disagree?

Blessings on your day!

It looks like when the Bible is talking about pride, it talks of the proud being led away from God or turning from God. And God not looking upon or favoring proud persons.

Psalms 40:4 How blessed is the man who has made the LORD his trust, And has  not turned  to the proud, nor to those who lapse into falsehood.

Psalms 131:

1 O LORD, my heart is not proud,  nor my eyes haughty; Nor do I involve myself in great  matters, Or in things too difficult for me. 2 Surely I have composed and quieted my soul; Like a weaned child  {rests} against  his mother, My soul is like a weaned child within  me. 3 O Israel, hope in the LORD From this time forth and forever.
Pr 16:5 – Everyone who is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD; Assuredly, he will not be unpunished.
Pr 16:19 – It is better to be humble in spirit with the lowly Than to divide the spoil with the proud.
Pr 21:4 -Haughty eyes and a proud heart, The lamp of the wicked, is sin.
Pr 21:24 – “Proud,” “Haughty,” “Scoffer,” are his names, Who acts with insolent pride.

1Pe 5:5 – You younger men, likewise, be subject to {your} elders; and all of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, for GOD IS OPPOSED TO THE PROUD, BUT GIVES GRACE TO THE HUMBLE.
Lastly:

this is a sermon from a neighboring church on pride, its in written and audio format. http://www.faithtacoma.org/content/2006-11-19-pm.aspx

Blessings to you and yours from God the Father Almighty

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About Kristina

52 year old Christian lady, knitter, bible collector, crafter, little business owner, thrill seeker (only when shopping at thrift stores for tremendous bargains) my animals servant, a child of God, saved, redeemed and trying to be joyful in a fallen world.

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  1. You forgot to turn off your Pete colour.

    But good thoughts. The sappy American side of me still loves what he said, but you have a point or two in there, I’ll admit.

    We tend, as Christians, to mean “pride in a good way” as well as “pride in a bad way,” but maybe we should just find a better word for the former.

    And, though it’s a second point, and really not, I don’t think, connected to the first: when I get goosebumps and choke up reading about the victories of Israel in Canaan, etc., it’s always, always because *my God* worked wonders; MY God is sovereign.

    We identify (as Reformed folks, especially) with Israel as being “our people… in a sense,” but the true glory in that is that we’re the same people because we have the same God.

    And that is different (for me, anyway; maybe not for Pete, but I think for most Americans) from the “good pride” we have in God’s hand of blessing on America. That “good pride” is not prideful in our own personal wonderfulness, so it doesn’t sound/look so bad, but if it’s on even the greatest war hero or founding founder more than God is credited for it being all grace, then yep, it is “bad pride.”

    That sounds so unpatriotic. But it’s not just about history and politics–it’s about every aspect of our lives. All is of grace.

    Still, I think God has richly and exceptionally blessed our country. But all of grace. So pride in us? No. Patriotism? Oh, yeah. I love Stonewall Jackson (for example) like I love Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, because he was a man of God (maybe moreso, I dare say!), and I thrill at how God used him, because he lived by God’s law.

    But although I feel American-proud of folks like Gen. Patton, etc., and admire them tons in certain ways, those w/o Christ have *nothing* on the godly men God’s blessed our country with.

    But he HAS blessed our country with many Godly men. And He’s blessed us despite the ungodly.

    I should just post this in my own blog, but oh well.

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